What is the best and worst SP for you?

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    • What is the best and worst SP for you?

      Hello!!!

      I don't know if you too, but I love to debate about any topic. In this case I would like to introduce the debate of:


      "What is the best and worst SP for you?"

      The conditions are simple:
      • You have to justify your choices or quote the justification of another player who already said the same you wanted to share.
      • ONLY mage, archer and swordsman MAIN SP's are being taken into account.


      As a fast example I will share with you my opinion:

      BEST SP: WK

      - Wk is the most complete SP in the entire game. Is the best PvE SP with difference (amazing AoE, Combos, Effects, both ranged and close skills (some of them without the need to target the enemy,...) and also it's playable in PvP (obviously archers don't use to use it in PvP because of ... S-C-O-U-T)

      WORST SP: Death Reaper

      - It is simply an ultra buged SP, with a very low hit rate and is not the best SP of the swordsman in any escenario. In other words, there is always a better option.
      The main difference between PvE and PvP player is that the first one fights vs himself to achieve his best version of himself while the second one just wanna be better than others.
    • best sp: zerk - i dont need to justify it, it's just a fact.

      worst sp: scout - well not worst obviously, but it's sooo overrated

      real worst sp: chicken - why does it even exist? its only purpose is to troll people resting.. but if we're not counting "fun" sps then warrior because it soo boring, yeah morale op blah blah, dont care. i just dont want an sp that i sleep while playing it
      English Gandora the Dragon of Destruction

      Chinese 破壞龍 鋼多拉

      French Gandora le Dragon de la Destruction

      German Gandora der Drache der Zerstörung

      Italian Gandora, il Drago della Distruzione

      Korean 파괴룡 간드라

      Portuguese Gandora o Dragão da Destruição

      Spanish Gandora el Dragón de la Destrucción

      Japanese (kana) はかいりゅうガンドラ

      Japanese (base) 破壊竜ガンドラ

      Other names Crush D. Gandra
    • PVE
      Best: arguably avenging angel, especially when one has c45 dagger (speed + fast cd + many aoes + huge crits + light ele sometimes is really useful for additional eledmg), but for other classes sp8 is also LIT

      Worst: Destroyer/ Death reaper. Both are kinda trash, Destroyer is useful for gas debuff, and mines for easter event... Death reaper is completely useless at this point. Seer has rly narrow aoes and mostly debuffs, its clearly for pvp, same for dg, too little aoes, mostly 1o1. Worst choice for mobbing anyway.

      PVP
      Best: Scout/Sin (lets be real for archers its the best, sin can be arguably better but vs scout sin might lose (cuz crit limit etc))
      DG/Volcano/Seer ( with c45 staff volcano is op, dg needs c25 gun, c45 is trash). DG's problem is that when it loses buffs (in fc for example) there's a huge cd, volcano is better at this point. DG can also miss, volcano (as any other sp that uses staff) misses only if there's a shell with magic evasion. Seer is nice for fc.
      Sader/Ninja are nice. Sader can raise his dmg pretty high at c25+, ninja has a high chance for crit plus he's fast/drains mana/takes charge/self-heals etc.

      Worst: any sp with huge cd or is just quite incompetent for pvp (destroyer/wk/death reaper (again)/ gladi is kinda crap, bersi (debatable))
      ice mage (no mana shield + long aoe cd + slow),maybe Archmage cuz its shield is weak and it's slow.
    • My current favourite specialist is avenging angel and I also find it very useful in PvE it has nice dmg insane crit and many aoes with short cd.

      I have to admit I played pretty much every sp in game and yes, dr is one of the worst, it can deal great dmg but is very limited by the mana amount, low mana amount and high mana usage of the skills, also the new Martial Artist sp they lack aoes, the water one has long cd, and that changing state is quite annoying because uses a lot mp.
      PS dr is bad in pve, i was mentioning it from pvp point of view
    • PVE

      Best: Archmage with foxy and c45 wand, you have no trouble of mobbing anywhere

      In FC PVP mode

      Best: Scout for sure you wouldn't be seen and you can't be destroyed because of critical damage

      Worst: all mage sp I would say when there are tones of lucifer , you will have no mana shield and become a sheep
    • Watching this thread is so funny,because everyone's opinions are so different.
      I blame the op for not defining this ''best'' ?
      Regardless :

      hazarbaba wrote:

      BEST-> Ice Mage,
      If you get 1 bad effect, you get all and you die also best AoE in game
      WORST-> Death Reaper is worst for sure but i'd say sp3 archer. I always feel it like it just exists for its debuff, nothing more
      X to doubt Ice Mage.
      I mean sure if you can kill your opponent with all your ten spells from 1 go then yh its quite top tier, but otherwise the cd's will be your demise.Can't argue about Aoe,its true they have strong AOE,such a sadness that they are not used more in PVE because they have big potential. Another - is that they lack an mana shield.
      Never played DR so I ain't gonna comment.

      ariyoshi wrote:

      Best sp: Monk - so much versatility that makes it good for pve and pvp

      Worst sp: I'd agree with DR since its mana use, buff, skills make it hard to pvp in. I'd add berserker since game mechanics and skills make it hard to use in pvp.
      True,at the very least for Swordie's.

      darkness-metal wrote:

      best - DH -> with C45 dagger - best life steal with dmg bow
      Worst - SIN ;( BRING BACK THE OLD SIN
      Idk I feel like Scout could still take him.
      I want old sin back too !

      Gandalof wrote:

      best sp: zerk - i dont need to justify it, it's just a fact.

      worst sp: scout - well not worst obviously, but it's sooo overrated

      real worst sp: chicken - why does it even exist? its only purpose is to troll people resting.. but if we're not counting "fun" sps then warrior because it soo boring, yeah morale op blah blah, dont care. i just dont want an sp that i sleep while playing it
      Maybe for Fun,yh,also Lmao.

      Jekyll wrote:

      PVE
      Best: arguably avenging angel, especially when one has c45 dagger (speed + fast cd + many aoes + huge crits + light ele sometimes is really useful for additional eledmg), but for other classes sp8 is also LIT

      Worst: Destroyer/ Death reaper. Both are kinda trash, Destroyer is useful for gas debuff, and mines for easter event... Death reaper is completely useless at this point. Seer has rly narrow aoes and mostly debuffs, its clearly for pvp, same for dg, too little aoes, mostly 1o1. Worst choice for mobbing anyway.

      PVP
      Best: Scout/Sin (lets be real for archers its the best, sin can be arguably better but vs scout sin might lose (cuz crit limit etc))
      DG/Volcano/Seer ( with c45 staff volcano is op, dg needs c25 gun, c45 is trash). DG's problem is that when it loses buffs (in fc for example) there's a huge cd, volcano is better at this point. DG can also miss, volcano (as any other sp that uses staff) misses only if there's a shell with magic evasion. Seer is nice for fc.
      Sader/Ninja are nice. Sader can raise his dmg pretty high at c25+, ninja has a high chance for crit plus he's fast/drains mana/takes charge/self-heals etc.

      Worst: any sp with huge cd or is just quite incompetent for pvp (destroyer/wk/death reaper (again)/ gladi is kinda crap, bersi (debatable))
      ice mage (no mana shield + long aoe cd + slow),maybe Archmage cuz its shield is weak and it's slow.
      Agree,but why call Blade,Ninja ? Feels so odd. Looks nothing like a Ninja.

      AndreiDan wrote:

      My current favourite specialist is avenging angel and I also find it very useful in PvE it has nice dmg insane crit and many aoes with short cd.

      I have to admit I played pretty much every sp in game and yes, dr is one of the worst, it can deal great dmg but is very limited by the mana amount, low mana amount and high mana usage of the skills, also the new Martial Artist sp they lack aoes, the water one has long cd, and that changing state is quite annoying because uses a lot mp.
      PS dr is bad in pve, i was mentioning it from pvp point of view
      Im curious. Many said DR on worst side,yet they entwell let that slide by after 2016 update.

      Apper08 wrote:

      Worst: all mage sp I would say when there are tones of lucifer , you will have no mana shield and become a sheep
      Gee I wonder who's to blame for that……….

      DarkAngel~ wrote:

      But late game Martial is strong, sadly, the way to get late with Martial is really lame and difficult with the sp's it has, but both sp1 and sp2 are really good at PvP

      Jekyll wrote:

      AndreiDan wrote:

      Martial Artist sp


      That's probably the reason is barely played.


      Personally I would think the best overall is :
      Best For Swordie : is a tie beetwen Warrior and Monk,For Archers/Swordies Warrior is a better choice when fighting non-magic users and Dark Gunners cuz Morale is still op and probably will remain till the day nostale shut downs.
      Monks may not have the same insane durability but they have tons of cc and debuffs and good dmg,best against Archers/Mages.
      For PVE Monks takes the spot for better AOE.
      Worst : Although I never played im just gonna say DR as every swordie tends to agree with it.
      Other Sp Mentions : Berserker is a good jack of all trades master of none,goodish in pvp good in pve cuz of buffs,overall goodish.
      Never played Renegade so cant say much about it.
      Gladiator is one trick pony that is only good in pvp with 0 utility in pve and even then there are better choices for pvp like war and monk as mentioned above so its meh.
      Sader is nonexistent in PVP and good only as buffer/debuffer in raids or LOD otherwise meh.
      Ninja is...………. idk,it exists ? cant say for sure but I hardly see people playing this anymore.

      Best for Archers : No matter how you look at it,Scout takes the podium for better or the worse,WK coming close for PVE only.
      The thing with archer sp's is that they are specialized mostly for pvp so you have a variety when you go to pvp.
      From what I heard AA becomes the mbp lately ? cant tell much since I didn't played act 6.
      DH is good in both pvp and pve and mostly in situations that requires AOE.
      CS is a little bit weaker then its higher archer counterparts but still fun to play for a long range attacker.
      Sin sucks.
      Des sucks unless its used for event raids,they litteraly only upgraded the buff with the 2016 update,this guy needs a whole remake like seriously.
      Ranger is a weaker variant of Scout,it have some niche things Scout dosent have which makes it better for PVE but otherwise meh.


      Best for Mages : For PVP it must be a tie beetwen the Dark Sp's Dark Gunner and Seer,DG for its op buff cleansing,crit channeling and high speed and Seer for pvp made buffs,high attack speed and agility.
      For Pve I say Tide Lord are great great for mobbing and most raids,Holy Mage and Archmage are also useful for LOD and other situations that req sustain.
      Blue Mage is mostly the same before 2016 update, with only ice shielf cd reduced,if only that shield would be a mana shield then it could compete in hardcore pvp.
      Red Mage is nice and all,but again like Ranger is to Scout,RM is just a weaker version of Volcano,sure RM reduce fire res but Volc still has better mobility,better and more cc's better move pool and overall buffs.

      That's all I gotta say.
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      The post was edited 2 times, last by Pinkamena ().

    • Pinkamena wrote:

      Agree,but why call Blade Ninja ? Feels so odd. Looks nothing like a Ninja.
      I would personally call it a samurai but on DE1 and V its Ninja :S


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Ranger is a weaker variant of Scout
      It has crazy dmg, cant tell its weaker. It doesnt have combo skills, thats why DPS is lower, but considering the damage from single hits Ranger is quite superior to Scout. And it has 2 freezing skills, 1 reducing speed skill, 1 100% critical hit chance skill, 1 blackout skill which has a very fast cooldown even without faster recharge buff. If there was no Scout, Ranger would definitely be popular.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Archmage <...> sustain
      :huh: Are you sure? it has only 1 ultimate healing skill which takes 10min to recharge (6 with foxy S) and the overall manause for 90- is horrible.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Blue Mage is mostly the same before 2016 update, with only ice shielf cd reduced,if only that shield would be a mana shield then it could compete in hardcore pvp
      With its stuns, yeah. But its slow so its an easy target during retreat.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Red Mage is nice and all,but again like Ranger is to Scout,RM is just a weaker version of Volcano,sure RM reduce fire res but Volc still has better mobility,better and more cc's better move pool and overall buffs.
      RM is better for raids like daily glacerus though.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      For PVE Monks takes the spot for better AOE.
      Thats why you should first play Renegade.
      1. Lots of aoes
      2. Fast cd
      3. combo's deal additional dmg
      4. lots of stuns


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Sader is nonexistent in PVP and good only as buffer/debuffer in raids or LOD otherwise meh.
      Oh how wrong you are. Its one of the most popular DMG sps in fc on DE1. Dmg is insane at h28+.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Ninja is...………. idk,it exists ? cant say for sure but I hardly see people playing this anymore.
      Ninja is an oldschool sp, its nice for 6.2 safe pve and 1o1 in arena, but definitely crap in 10o1. The buff is better now, gives crit chance boost, atk level and long range evasion (I'd say more like parry, you know, samurai uses its blade to counter arrows in literature)


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Berserker is a good jack of all trades master of none,goodish in pvp good in pve cuz of buffs,overall goodish.
      Well its good for raids of any level, but for mobbing its not as good as renegade, and for pvp its also quite MEH.


      Pinkamena wrote:

      Gladiator is one trick pony that is only good in pvp with 0 utility in pve and even then there are better choices for pvp like war and monk as mentioned above so its meh.
      Lemme tell you - its not good for pvp too. This is the sp that is hardly usable anywhere except glacerus raids or cuby.

      Overall, I think you have old data regarding the sps usability alt s
    • Jekyll wrote:

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Agree,but why call Blade Ninja ? Feels so odd. Looks nothing like a Ninja.
      I would personally call it a samurai

      Pinkamena wrote:

      For PVE Monks takes the spot for better AOE.
      Thats why you should first play Renegade.1. Lots of aoes
      2. Fast cd
      3. combo's deal additional dmg
      4. lots of stuns

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Sader is nonexistent in PVP and good only as buffer/debuffer in raids or LOD otherwise meh.
      Oh how wrong you are. Its one of the most popular DMG sps in fc on DE1. Dmg is insane at h28+.

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Ninja is...………. idk,it exists ? cant say for sure but I hardly see people playing this anymore.
      Ninja is an oldschool sp, its nice for 6.2 safe pve and 1o1 in arena, but definitely crap in 10o1. The buff is better now, gives crit chance boost, atk level and long range evasion (I'd say more like parry, you know, samurai uses its blade to counter arrows in literature)

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Berserker is a good jack of all trades master of none,goodish in pvp good in pve cuz of buffs,overall goodish.
      Well its good for raids of any level, but for mobbing its not as good as renegade, and for pvp its also quite MEH.

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Gladiator is one trick pony that is only good in pvp with 0 utility in pve and even then there are better choices for pvp like war and monk as mentioned above so its meh.
      Lemme tell you - its not good for pvp too. This is the sp that is hardly usable anywhere except glacerus raids or cuby.Overall, I think you have old data regarding the sps usability alt s
      Agreed with Jekyll on those points.
      Crusader (when Frozen crown was alive) was actually the second pick if you didn't need a warrior (morale purposes of course) and when monk arrived it got pushed down to third pick.
      (Since Monk could bomb people and aoe kill everything).
      Berserker is not bad but I believe it needs a very specific build up for it to be decent so you can mange to land some of the aoe skills before you end up dead.
      Blade I guess is good for 1vs1 and the best pick against mages. (After frozen crown was not so active anymore blade could shine more in my opinion)
      Renegade is also a good pick, low cds decent aoes, good damage. (If you wear Laurena hat and a mother rune that reduces CDs you can literally spam the rush skill nonstop lol.)
      Gladiator's cooldowns are problematic no one would pick gladi because of that. (For 1vs1 pvp shouldn't be too bad, good luck running around a bit for the CDs to finish though)
    • Sorry but I have a hard time imagining Crusader as a mvp swordie card lol.
      But then again I never played Swordie as much as I played archer/mage so you must take my opinions with a grain of salt.
      Seeing Ariyoshi saying zerk is tie worst sp with DR while Ganda saying zerk is the best SP is hilarious tho.
      Anyway in Nostale 1-8 sp's there are a total of 3 sp's I never ever played,these are ; Seer,Death Reaper and Renegade,so I can't talk about these as I never ever used them be4,however since everyone seems to say DR is worst I guess they must have a point.
      Last time I played Gladi/Monk was before 2016.As for the lower tier I only remember them before the 2016 update.
      Being useful only for Glacerus must be a drag. Gladi needs some love on next sp update or a rework ! <.<
      All the swordies i met in pvp terrains like aot fc arena mostly use either Monk or warrior so thats that.
      I think Berserker could also use some love <.<
      As for Crusader I can lowkey understand why its 3rd pick after monk and war hence Blade sucks in everything pve its great only in 1v1 pvp as Jekyll said or against mages,but why not Renegade ?
      I know i never played Renegade but i find it hard to believe Sader bests him.

      As for Ranger.....
      It may have higher individual damage and crits sure but it lacks strong cc, only good CC it has its from flash bang which is what 2 seconds ? Everything else is 40% or less which is risky.
      Compare that to Blue Mage who have an ability called Ice Rock that has a 80% chance to freeze the enemy for 5-7 seconds its alot.
      As 80% of it sabilities are single target its kinda hard for a Ranger to fight a Scout in ambush, even with its speed.
      But hey atleast Ranger is viable and still counters Warrior which many other arher sp's aren't in PVP.
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    • Pinkamena wrote:

      Sorry but I have a hard time imagining Crusader as a mvp swordie card lol.
      it got great buffs, triple charge is straight up op. great debuff. in pve it is one of few cards that is useful everywhere. in pvp, along with what i said the healing it got is really nice.

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Seeing Ariyoshi saying zerk is tie worst sp with DR while Ganda saying zerk is the best SP is hilarious tho.
      well, you said it yourself. "best" is vague, i went with the sps that were most fun to play as rather than the one with highest numbers. this is why i ended up with zerk best and warrior worst. under different interpretation, my answer would be very different.

      Pinkamena wrote:

      Being useful only for Glacerus must be a drag. Gladi needs some love on next sp update or a rework ! <.<
      it's not really even useful for glace or in a water raid (or any water mobs in general). it's just that it swordies typically run defensive built warrior, so their best dps is gladi. even then, i personally still prefer an offensive warrior over gladi. dps wont be that much lower, and i think it's worth the trade off for the great mob control warrior provides.

      although i will say, it is pretty fun to play as in 1v1 pvp. but it still remains mediocre in everything pretty much.

      Pinkamena wrote:

      As for Ranger.....
      It may have higher individual damage and crits sure but it lacks strong cc, only good CC it has its from flash bang which is what 2 seconds ? Everything else is 40% or less which is risky.
      Compare that to Blue Mage who have an ability called Ice Rock that has a 80% chance to freeze the enemy for 5-7 seconds its alot.
      im not going to pretend ranger got the strongest cc ever, but it by no means lacks them. it got enough skills that cause blackout/freeze with good enough chances. blue mage does have better cc but that does not make it better by any means. ranger still has very strong burst, and may not even need to get stuns in some cases and can just win in few crits. while bm needs to get lucky and cc chain the opponent because it's very squishy (no mana sheild). TL is just a better option than bm in pvp.
      English Gandora the Dragon of Destruction

      Chinese 破壞龍 鋼多拉

      French Gandora le Dragon de la Destruction

      German Gandora der Drache der Zerstörung

      Italian Gandora, il Drago della Distruzione

      Korean 파괴룡 간드라

      Portuguese Gandora o Dragão da Destruição

      Spanish Gandora el Dragón de la Destrucción

      Japanese (kana) はかいりゅうガンドラ

      Japanese (base) 破壊竜ガンドラ

      Other names Crush D. Gandra