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    • Well I mean, that is your opinion that does not mean the game will die cathmm.png (Not because of this anyway) and it is not like it's up to me either xD.

      I don't disagree with you wanting to limit multiaccounts, I am disagreeing with the WHY you want them limited, as it does not fix the issues you mentioned as the very same issues can still happen by other factors.
      So if you wish to limit the multiaccounts purely on what you said above then its just a bit ?????. but whatever I guess.

      Aside from that the rest about "disrupt" and "grief play" this is not me disagreeing with you, this is me explaining to you how the rules are/work and why it is not grief play or disruption of game play.


      Also something I forgot earlier, what champian said is correct, the old players should not receive emails because Gameforge does not have their consent for it.
      You gave your consent when GDPR rules came live and you continued playing / accepting cookies / etc
    • Kacchan wrote:

      nasrok34 wrote:

      if you get maid you need pay a salary to her/him. There will be need a pay and gain balance. but there is no balance. you pay less and gain huge amount things.

      you know no pain no gain. but these players gain with no pain.


      if you nosmall or non sleep play game you get pains and these gains okey.

      but if you do other things mentioned at top. I cant say same thing about answer. Well it seems we will fight at there until thread closed. because we dont look like accept each other thinkings or ideas. just let the game die more faster. i hope game get heart attack and die in some mins.
      multiaccounting = slavery
      you pay foods even your slavery. otherwise they die. You can get another one but when this died you need move it somewhere etc. there is always you need pains. And we are already 21th century and most of us no slavery system countries. dont forget to this too.
      Member since Sep 12th 2007
    • nasrok34 wrote:

      Kacchan wrote:

      nasrok34 wrote:

      if you get maid you need pay a salary to her/him. There will be need a pay and gain balance. but there is no balance. you pay less and gain huge amount things.

      you know no pain no gain. but these players gain with no pain.


      if you nosmall or non sleep play game you get pains and these gains okey.

      but if you do other things mentioned at top. I cant say same thing about answer. Well it seems we will fight at there until thread closed. because we dont look like accept each other thinkings or ideas. just let the game die more faster. i hope game get heart attack and die in some mins.
      multiaccounting = slavery
      you pay foods even your slavery. otherwise they die. You can get another one but when this died you need move it somewhere etc. there is always you need pains. And we are already 21th century and most of us no slavery system countries. dont forget to this too.
      don't talk about my slaves, you don't even know basics of slavery. i took me years to... wait what.

      well in some ways multies needs some invest gear/sp/lvl/time in order to be profitable, so food/clothes/medice for my gold. also i don't move my dead slaves, other slaves does it for me. ( well like i told you, you don't know basics of it).

      and on reality banning multiaccouting won't fix broken server. it's too late to bend server into multilimiting.
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    • nasrok34 wrote:

      you pay foods even your slavery. otherwise they die. You can get another one but when this died you need move it somewhere etc. there is always you need pains. And we are already 21th century and most of us no slavery system countries. dont forget to this too.

      Kacchan wrote:

      don't talk about my slaves, you don't even know basics of slavery. i took me years to... wait what.

      well in some ways multies needs some invest gear/sp/lvl/time in order to be profitable, so food/clothes/medice for my gold. also i don't move my dead slaves, other slaves does it for me. ( well like i told you, you don't know basics of it).

      and on reality banning multiaccouting won't fix broken server. it's too late to bend server into multilimiting.
      Totally agreed. I have atleast 4, working alts right now for buffs, FC and IC. Spent around 40Mil on Boas, 10Mil on equipment, 20Mil on resistances, 30Mil on specialists, and weeks of mobbing. AND, I paid for that by making money BY doing casual money-making things, without spending money on the game. So there you have it, easy game.
    • btw answer server merge thing.

      well there is game rules has something but they are not limited with them.


      For example again : selling ingame items for real money is breaking rules right ? in same way thinking you can sell your game items to someone for who buys you a (gift) phone. this is not breaking rules ? or if the other players pay with these crypto moneys. because these are not real moneys. also they are not count as a money. they are currency just. Give up all these examples. probably you wont accept this example.


      at there

      Morgoth wrote:



      Also what Kacchan says is correct, in order for your multiaccount to give you profit/items/whatever you have to invest time/gold to gear it up and lv it.
      with multies it takes shorter. As i say before. You will get these items back and you will limit with 3-4 accounts which they make decision about it. You have 1 account 95+ later another 2 in get party and train them until 55 level later go lod train. it doesnt take long. after 3-4 account it will take maybe 1 week to make them 90+ . Yes you spend 3x money but after some things you gain 30 x money from each. and you dont spend always that 3x money . once time you spend. but after that point every using you get 30x profit.


      Also i read there mentioning my level and which family i am member. I have real life. Need work on my real life things. It doesnt matter what i am doing or how i am enjoying game. But if something ruins my enjoy or i think ruins people enjoy i can write here. Because discuss forum here. But you mentioning which family i am member of or what i am doing at game now is a cheap move.
      Member since Sep 12th 2007
    • nasrok34 wrote:

      For example again : selling ingame items for real money is breaking rules right ? in same way thinking you can sell your game items to someone for who buys you a (gift) phone. this is not breaking rules ? or if the other players pay with these crypto moneys. because these are not real moneys. also they are not count as a money. they are currency just. Give up all these examples. probably you wont accept this example.
      Actually any trade between an outside currency and inside currency is not allowed, just usually it involves "real life money" that's why you hear it more often.

      nasrok34 wrote:

      with multies it takes shorter. As i say before. You will get these items back and you will limit with 3-4 accounts which they make decision about it. You have 1 account 95+ later another 2 in get party and train them until 55 level later go lod train. it doesnt take long. after 3-4 account it will take maybe 1 week to make them 90+ . Yes you spend 3x money but after some things you gain 30 x money from each. and you dont spend always that 3x money . once time you spend. but after that point every using you get 30x profit.
      Sure, I can of course agree that in the end it is going to help you prosper a lot faster, but so is a lot more factors than just multiaccounts.
      As I said earlier, Nosmall, time you can spend inside a game.
      There are a lot of things that can help you prosper quickly so based on that if we are to limit the multiaccounts why would the other factors that help you prosper faster than another player should be allowed?
    • I kinda agree with nasrok34.
      Unlimited alts kill social aspect of the game.
      Whats to prevent people to do most raids with only their alts ? Its common practice in Draco and Glacerus.
      Its not about the money. (i mean it is,but it's not the key aspect).
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    • Pinkamena wrote:

      I kinda agree with nasrok34.
      Unlimited alts kill social aspect of the game.
      Whats to prevent people to do most raids with only their alts ? Its common practice in Draco and Glacerus.
      Well, that's a valid reason to say why you don't like multiaccounts.
      As I said the only issue is his "why" he wants them limited.
    • nasrok34 wrote:

      lso i read there mentioning my level and which family i am member. I have real life. Need work on my real life things. It doesnt matter what i am doing or how i am enjoying game. But if something ruins my enjoy or i think ruins people enjoy i can write here. Because discuss forum here. But you mentioning which family i am member of or what i am doing at game now is a cheap move.
      Oh boy. This whole topic is about what your doing in game. Im kinda getting triggered at this whole "If something ruins my enjoyment and gameplay, I can discuss it!"
      1) If you cant join a raid cuz they kick you to add alts, too bad, they are the leader, they worked and paid for that seal.
      2) If you say you get 30x the amount of stuff/gold by making 3 accounts, why don't you do it yourself.
      3) Why did you even bring up trading outside of game for currency lol?
      4) Your playing on a OLD server (uk) in which people have spent hundreds of pounds to buy stuff, spent thousands of hours levelling and your just gonna complain about the game being P2W and having too MUCH ALTS. Your basically complaining about the people who literally stabilise the game. Without nosmallers, there wont be as much nosmall items, you wouldn't of been able to level without boa. Without people who spam raids/ic's 24/7 with alts, there wouldn't be as many woa, fm listed in bazzar. If you want to complain about those owning multi-accounts, stop joining there raids, stop purchasing from them, stop talking to them and play your own game with the friends you want to play with, host your own raids when your strong enough. Wrote this fast af so gg. *sigh*
      Goodnight
    • There is a reason for ppl to kill in caligor spawn zone....

      Sure you don't get rep, but you do slow down the opposing side's damage to Caligor. The side that deals the most damage gets a better box after all.

      Or you can be a rooster and just try to prevent the other side from getting enough damage to get a box at all. Even this technically has a point (limit availability of Caligor raids, pushing up prices for personal profits) though it is quite roosterish.

      The fact that Caligor raids put us on opposing sides at all means your opponent will obviously try to hinder you, even if on accident using aoe on boss lol. This is not disrupting someone's gameplay.

      If anything, it is discouraging or disrupting your enjoyment.

      The way you talk about grief play, I'd think if you were mobbing pigeons and some random person(probably me) came over and started killing some 1 at a time and refused to go to a different channel you would say they are disrupting your gameplay.... At most it disrupts your style(cant gather all pigeons and then wipe em out if they dont all respawn at once), not your ability to play the game.

      That isn't grief play though unless i start following you around killing everything you try to kill, including following you to different channels. (That prevents you from killing anything, no xp, no quest items or kills, cant do anything really)You can't claim mobs as your own.

      So to be clear, grief play does not mean not letting you win something(pvp zone). It also does not mean not doing things with you(someone doing raids with just their own alts instead of asking you to join). It only applies to people preventing you from playing naturally.

      This means preventing you from killing your quest objectives(if targeting you specifically, including following you to other channels) or attacking you in pve zones(luring mobs to you with the intent to kill you).

      There are still other ways, but most have options for you to help yourself or are breaking even more rules already so don't need to mention under grief play.(spamming party or family invited on someone to prevent them from playing, can be blocked in settings for instance)
    • Morgoth wrote:

      There are a lot of things that can help you prosper quickly so based on that if we are to limit the multiaccounts why would the other factors that help you prosper faster than another player should be allowed?
      it is effect the whole game. not only me. If these player run of full moons will buy from other player or from nosmall. If he buy from other player the other player will gain and will get money for better things. If nosmall game will get money. If game get money good they make better team. Better team better mechanics and better updates. If other player gains money from that player there will be more active player at game . more active player means more potential customer for game. more custome again that thing i write. It is going to be loop. But if player always gain with less pay. that breaks to loop.


      Also if i getting strong with 1x speed with this way they get strong 10x speed. But at least not 100x speed. if i cant catch them but i can hurt them. the other way i cant single scratch them. Hurting them gives to player motivation to play more. but the other thing is not.

      there is a cartoon in our language i will post here and translate. The elephant asking "what you are doing?" , the frog answers "i tried"


      upload



      you need at least try but with these way you know you can not win ever.
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    • nasrok34 wrote:

      Also if i getting strong with 1x speed with this way they get strong 10x speed. But at least not 100x speed. if i cant catch them but i can hurt them. the other way i cant single scratch them. Hurting them gives to player motivation to play more. but the other thing is not.
      Disagree. I got motivation to mob more and level up from being weaker than the higher levels. Now i'm abit stronger and can now pick on some of my own size. ALSO, your level 88 and complaining about this sort of stuff when the rest of us are 93+ (most with c level 25+). I suggest you take some time to LoD to level 90, make one more account, play at a relaxing rate. (P.S, kinda think your triggered at me tanking your damage in caligor for a while, its ok bud. were a 5 level difference, and I had maru buff ;3 ) Gn all, enjoy life, peace out homies.
    • nasrok34 wrote:

      it is effect the whole game. not only me.
      Sure, all the "you" is in plural. Not my fault plural and non plural version is the same <.<

      nasrok34 wrote:

      If these player run of full moons will buy from other player or from nosmall. If he buy from other player the other player will gain and will get money for better things. If nosmall game will get money. If game get money good they make better team. Better team better mechanics and better updates. If other player gains money from that player there will be more active player at game . more active player means more potential customer for game. more custome again that thing i write. It is going to be loop. But if player always gain with less pay. that breaks to loop.
      Well.... In this case.... Do you believe if Gameforge did not earn more money by allowing multiaccounts that they would have allowed it in the first place? 100% no.

      nasrok34 wrote:

      Also if i getting strong with 1x speed with this way they get strong 10x speed. But at least not 100x speed. if i cant catch them but i can hurt them. the other way i cant single scratch them. Hurting them gives to player motivation to play more. but the other thing is not.
      This is where your claim flaws. A good nosmaller can progress with the speed of 100 too, I don't really care if Gameforge wins more money in this case or not this is not the point.
      The point is that he can progress with the speed of 100 and you will still not be able to make a scratch on him.

      The only valid reason to say you want to put a limit on multiaccounts is what Pinkamena said.
      "It kills the social interactions with players and I believe as this is a MMOrpg that people should use other people and be more social with each other and helping"


      The irony here is, some other Nostale versions have a limit on alts and people want it removed.
      Here we have unlimited alts and we want to limit them.
    • thechampian1 wrote:

      1) If you cant join a raid cuz they kick you to add alts, too bad, they are the leader, they worked and paid for that seal.
      2) If you say you get 30x the amount of stuff/gold by making 3 accounts, why don't you do it yourself.
      3) Why did you even bring up trading outside of game for currency lol?
      1- I dont say they kick me from raids. Just saying people do own raids for own profits. and pushing themself more and more faster than they need to be.
      2- these numbers as i always said random. Game logics are 1 person can play 1 account same time and these why you have 4 slot in 1 account. You can play archer ahh bored than go open swordsman on same account oh no bored again go open mage on 3th slot and what a surprise game has new class martial artist wow they gift you 1 slot for not losing other characters.
      3- It is about game rules not limited only writed things. It was easy example for i choose that rule.



      Also @Ruff

      it was just started like regular calligor. angel and devil side was attacking boss. After these 2 monk come that mouth(i will adress from unknown lands monsters spawn location) sit there and killed every oppenent who try to go hit callgor. while they doing this and they are not dying people start to leave raid. Only their side stay on calligor. And after some more their side started leave too because they can kill calligor with with these less people.

      it is not about hitting calligor with aoe skills etc.
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    • Morgoth wrote:


      The irony here is, some other Nostale versions have a limit on alts and people want it removed.
      Here we have unlimited alts and we want to limit them.
      moral of the story, you can't please everyone.

      and about that cali complaint, blame the game not the players. it's the devs fault who for some reason thought it was a good idea to mix pvp with pve.
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    • Pinkamena wrote:

      Jus trealized you are turkish.
      #Detectiveskills.
      yes i am. But not like most of old minded ones.

      Morgoth wrote:

      Well.... In this case.... Do you believe if Gameforge did not earn more money by allowing multiaccounts that they would have allowed it in the first place? 100% no.
      yes. Look that uk server now. how many nosmaller game has now? how many nosmaller has it before (while server live). If you get same advantage with some more accounts and it is free why you pay nosmall ? You can search another player and buy from them. But ah sorry at there you forget because of you other players give up game :)

      Morgoth wrote:

      The irony here is, some other Nostale versions have a limit on alts and people want it removed.
      Here we have unlimited alts and we want to limit them.
      Because they dont know what will happen in future. Here you taste what happened. you experienced. but they dont.Also there is tons of online games and most of them has this multi rule.

      Morgoth wrote:

      his is where your claim flaws. A good nosmaller can progress with the speed of 100 too, I don't really care if Gameforge wins more money in this case or not this is not the point.
      The point is that he can progress with the speed of 100 and you will still not be able to make a scratch on him.
      yes but at least they work for game. They spend their money on game with their money game gets better. Better things let the others play more. More player more potential customer. At least with that huge amount nosmaller will be 3-5 person. With free multies there is 10-20 player can be front of me. if i cant scratch the nosmaller i can stratch others who plays less nosmall
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