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    • PVP-Event (Poll)

      Would you like to participate in a PVP-Event? 30
      1.  
        Yes in general (5) 17%
      2.  
        Yes and I prefer a normal 1v1 (6) 20%
      3.  
        Yes and I prefer teamwork - a 3v3 (6) 20%
      4.  
        Yes, but my equipment isn't enough - make the PVP equal for everyone! (12) 40%
      5.  
        Yes, but something else, I have my own idea (please reply to this post) (0) 0%
      6.  
        No (13) 43%
      Hi there!

      We often discuss possible events which we can offer to you, this time we would like to offer a PVP-Event.

      Please vote if you are generally interested or not :thumbsup:

      The basic idea:
      A 3v3 PVP-Event, that means you have to group up with 2 other players. The team should consist of 3 different classes and every group will fight another group 3 times. To not get the same SPs all the time ;) , each SP is only allowed in one fight, the next round on a fight each class has to take another SP.
      We will most likely divide the participants into different level-groups.

      It's just a basic concept, nothing is set in stone yet - and you can bring in your own ideas if you have any that you think would make this event even better!
      It might be that UK does not have enough participants, we would probably turn the event there into a 1v1 instead of a 3v3 - also just an idea.

      sexier than Bittersweet
    • I will try to say this in the nicest way possible, because I truly respect all the work you guys are putting into these events.
      WE DO NOT NEED A PVP EVENT AND HERE'S WHY:

      The NosTale PVP scene is really unbalanced and very much luck based. The only competitive SP's (well, the ONLY Specialists people are gonna use) are WARRIOR, BATTLE MONK, VOLCANO, DARK GUNNER and SCOUT (maybe Assassin if they wanna play around and have fun, but let's be honest, no-freaking-body is gonna want to have "FUN" especially on a server where you know exactly who has PvP gear and what their main Specialists are).

      As for the "unbalanced" and "luck based" part. Are you GM's even aware of the fact that archers can increase their damage by 60% or so if they get lucky with the dagger proc? Or do you know the fact that Battle Monks can stun you for over 20 SECONDS (not counting freeze or blackout procs from costumes / weapon shells), oh and did I mention the fact that mages have insane defense with their mana shields and can heal up to pretty much full if they get a groovy proc? Let's also not mention how dark gunners can remove your buffs, leech life, and stun you for eternity. (I am trying not to go into detail on how much shells and costumes are also gonna affect EVERY SINGLE PVP MATCH. This is NOT skill. It's LUCK.

      Don't get me wrong, a PVP event CAN BE FUN, but not in the current state of the game.

      We NEED to change almost every single SP in the game, I hope you GM's are aware of this at least. Adjustments need to be made. Badly.

      Once again, if you took your time to read this post, I really appreciate it.

      #SAYNOTOPVPEVENT


    • TheRealDeepStriker wrote:

      I will try to say this in the nicest way possible, because I truly respect all the work you guys are putting into these events.
      WE DO NOT NEED A PVP EVENT AND HERE'S WHY:

      The NosTale PVP scene is really unbalanced and very much luck based. The only competitive SP's (well, the ONLY Specialists people are gonna use) are WARRIOR, BATTLE MONK, VOLCANO, DARK GUNNER and SCOUT (maybe Assassin if they wanna play around and have fun, but let's be honest, no-freaking-body is gonna want to have "FUN" especially on a server where you know exactly who has PvP gear and what their main Specialists are).

      As for the "unbalanced" and "luck based" part. Are you GM's even aware of the fact that archers can increase their damage by 60% or so if they get lucky with the dagger proc? Or do you know the fact that Battle Monks can stun you for over 20 SECONDS (not counting freeze or blackout procs from costumes / weapon shells), oh and did I mention the fact that mages have insane defense with their mana shields and can heal up to pretty much full if they get a groovy proc? Let's also not mention how dark gunners can remove your buffs, leech life, and stun you for eternity. (I am trying not to go into detail on how much shells and costumes are also gonna affect EVERY SINGLE PVP MATCH. This is NOT skill. It's LUCK.

      Don't get me wrong, a PVP event CAN BE FUN, but not in the current state of the game.

      We NEED to change almost every single SP in the game, I hope you GM's are aware of this at least. Adjustments need to be made. Badly.

      Once again, if you took your time to read this post, I really appreciate it.

      #SAYNOTOPVPEVENT




      Well, I agree that a lot of NosTale is down to luck, not only PvP.

      Frostwolf wrote:



      The basic idea:
      A 3v3 PVP-Event, that means you have to group up with 2 other players. The team should consist of 3 different classes and every group will fight another group 3 times. To not get the same SPs all the time ;) , each SP is only allowed in one fight, the next round on a fight each class has to take another SP.
      We will most likely divide the participants into different level-groups.

      I think the parts in bold answer most of the issues you listed. Judging from Frostwolf's post, players who enter wouldn't be able to rely on a single SP to win because SPs are being limited to being used only once. Archers would use Scout once, then not be able to use it again. The event would need players to use a range of SPs, not just one or two. Also, some element of luck may be removed if the teams have to fight groups multiple times - if they got lucky in one fight, they'll still have 2 other fights to do. The chances of getting the very good luck in all 3 would be low.

      I somewhat understand that such an event may favour Archers better, though largely from the wider range of PvP-strong SPs.
    • Well I was mostly talking about the UK server(it would be a 1v1) but fine, let's pretend this event does actually happen on the US server and y'all gonna get that 3v3.
      A lot of the things are not gonna change anyway ; Every class has at least 3 broken SP's that you'll win with if you play right (AKA get lucky, with the shell / costume / skill effect procs and wings)
      Archers: Scout, Demon Hunter and Ranger (to some extent).
      Swordsmen: Warrior, Monk, Blade.
      Mages: Volcano, Dark Gunner, Seer.
      My biggest issue with all of this was the balance (OR LACK THERE OF).
      As for the luck part, yeah man, I've spent an unhealthy amount of time on this game while growing up(No regrets though xD), and I can tell you, getting lucky+unlucky in NosTale while PvP'ing happens way too much. *cough* Bunny Costume set, groovy beach costume, any of the bushi costumes (though to some extent they can actually be countered by wearing a Hippo-Hat, though it still doesn't affect the chance for the 80% damage reduction), the recently added Puppet Master costume (for females at least), skill % procs (such as stuns and debuffs)oh and I almost forgot the mention this, but the special wings play a huge role too (ESPECIALLY Fairy and Onyx. I personally have had times when my opponent would get the onyx wings proc almost after every 3rd or 4th skill he used.. )

      This event has a lot of potential but serious works needs to be done, maybe banning certain SP's / costumes would be a nice solution?
    • a better suggestion lv 81 ma vs lv 81 ma with only the starter equipment
      But for a real event you as gm have the power,i think?, to cheat items so if you give to all the partecipent a standardized equipment (like idk weapon x and armour x both r5+5) and , standard sps for all classes+5 and no wings (that you're going to delete after the event) and Prohibition of costumes than it will all be kind of balanced (if you can do that lol)

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Niko ().

    • TheRealDeepStriker wrote:

      WE DO NOT NEED A PVP EVENT AND HERE'S WHY:
      As Kaile stated, we are aware of those things, that's why we already suggested that people have to use at least 3 different SPs for each battle. Yes, we know that things can get unbalanced, but hey that is why I am doing this post, to see if you guys have cool ideas to make this more fair, more fun, more... whatever you can think of^^
      The only thing we can't do is changing the game's code - as always.

      Kacchan wrote:

      1vs1 1lv adventurer pvp event plz
      You will laugh, I thought about something like that. A level 1 vs level 1 adventurer - but to be honest that would definitely be more luck-based than a normal SP-fight ;)
      My second thought was level 15 fights (without SPs !!) and limit the equip to the standard r0+0 from the NPC, that way people can have a class, but that would result in a lot of botting to get job-levels for skills, wouldn't it? :P

      Niko wrote:

      But for a real event you as gm have the power,i think?
      I also thought about "create a character, we do the rest, give you level, joblevel, equip, SPs, etc" - because what I truly initially wanted was a fair PVP where everyone could join, no matter how much experience, play-time, equipment, etc. Technically possible, but let me be honest: There is no way I can promise to our CoMa that this equipment won't be traded away.
      And on the other side: A lot of people spend a lot of time in the game to get good PVP-equip, why would we deny them the chance to finally use it?

      The 'normal' possibilities are player-based, to give you a clue, we could for example say that only SPs+0 are allowed or only equip/weapons 0+0 from NPC... but again I believe people would rather show their SPs they worked on instead of getting forced down do a level where everyone has equal chances.

      So basically it depends on your ideas and feedback whether you want to have a 'real' PVP-fight with all the equip people worked for or if you prefer something where everything is limited down so people have 'equal' chances.

      Edit: I reset the poll and gave it a little upgrade to get a better idea of what you prefer, please vote again :)

      sexier than Bittersweet
    • I think a PvP event would be good for the game, but to answer the poll, I wouldn't participate mostly due to my latency. (and that my gear and level is nowhere near as good as some players in this game).
      Since I won't be participating like I assume many people, I only hope the reward that players will get from this won't be something PVE players can't get.
    • Id also like to add while joining the team no.
      - This Tournament would mostly benefit only the "rich" guys :
      • The rewards will be most likely something these people would not really care,but they will be something that the "lower class" would desperately want and could use,but since they stand no chance....
      • This game is cruel and unforgiven for those w/o(or can't afford) a legendary gear,with all these craps entwell is releasing that gives broken bonuses it makes it even more unfair.
      • Specialists imbalances,in combination with above is clearly a no go.
      • If you want a 3v3 pvp just do AOT,also changing sp's after each match ?? does everyone has all their cards +15 ?? if eventually a tournament is made hopefully you wont go with this default ideea.
      In conclusion this event will benefit only a hand of players,and if its redone it will be the same exact players until they leave the game or something.
      I gotta admit i find it odd how the staff is going ovreboard with this project ignoring our oppinions.
      To not end on a passive-aggresive note,i think Kacchan ideea of lv 1 Adventurer Battle Royale would really be fun,at least that would offer equal chances for everybody.

      Say what you feel,it's not being rude.It's being real.