Multiclients and all that stuff...

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    • It is allowed to use Sandboxie, but there is no support for it.


      invisibleman wrote:

      it is allowed,but afk leeching is not allowed..and if any item went missing it's your own responsibility
      Leeching yourself is allowed, i.e. one of your characters sits around afk while another one of your characters (in the same group) levels it.
      I don't really know how items should go missing with multiclients, but it is correct that using sandboxie is your own responsibility, there will not be any support from the game team should you run into problems with it.
    • Nandus wrote:

      It is allowed to use Sandboxie, but there is no support for it.


      invisibleman wrote:

      it is allowed,but afk leeching is not allowed..and if any item went missing it's your own responsibility
      Leeching yourself is allowed, i.e. one of your characters sits around afk while another one of your characters (in the same group) levels it.I don't really know how items should go missing with multiclients, but it is correct that using sandboxie is your own responsibility, there will not be any support from the game team should you run into problems with it.
      What about other multiclients that aren't sandboxie ?
    • please use the search function in the future. there are various threads talking about sandboxie or another form called process explorer.
      many players wont tell you how to use multi since they use it themselves and there is a plethora of information via google and forums.

      in summary: 2 methods you will see mentioned on forums are sandbox and process explorer
      recognize that the game rules state the following:
      • Using bots, keyboard simulators or any third party programs are also forbidden and will result in a permanent ban of your account. Using any program/script that plays the game in any automatic configuration while you are away from the computer is prohibited and will result in a permanent account ban.
    • ariyoshi wrote:


      • Using bots, keyboard simulators or any third party programs are also forbidden and will result in a permanent ban of your account.

      Suddenly, Sandboxie and Process Explorer actually are "any third party programs". I think they should be exact with this one in the rules.

      I personally use Process Explorer cuz Sandboxie isnt "free". Free version asks to wait 5 secs and buy a license. No license = 1 bonus nostale window maximum, cracked version fails to work properly for no reason lol (I tried many different). Aaaand sometimes I want to play with more than 2 accounts at once (for buffs and fc raids, usually) so I personally recommend it.

      invisibleman wrote:

      afk leeching is not allowed
      Wellllllllllll... Some people that lvl fairies use a Maru psp to kill peas while they (players) are afk, cuz its aoe-skill range is really huge. But is it illegal? It doesn't involve any 3rd party programs, just what the game offers and it's not a bug or anything, so in my opinion its totally fine.
    • Jekyll wrote:

      ariyoshi wrote:


      • Using bots, keyboard simulators or any third party programs are also forbidden and will result in a permanent ban of your account.

      Suddenly, Sandboxie and Process Explorer actually are "any third party programs". I think they should be exact with this one in the rules.
      I personally use Process Explorer cuz Sandboxie isnt "free". Free version asks to wait 5 secs and buy a license. No license = 1 bonus nostale window maximum, cracked version fails to work properly for no reason lol (I tried many different). Aaaand sometimes I want to play with more than 2 accounts at once (for buffs and fc raids, usually) so I personally recommend it.

      invisibleman wrote:

      afk leeching is not allowed
      Wellllllllllll... Some people that lvl fairies use a Maru psp to kill peas while they (players) are afk, cuz its aoe-skill range is really huge. But is it illegal? It doesn't involve any 3rd party programs, just what the game offers and it's not a bug or anything, so in my opinion its totally fine.

      I guess in talking about semantics, these are the main arguments i can think of against the rule statement: the context is within botting - sandboxie and process dont allow you to bot from my knowledge, the second weak reason could be - the rules were made in 2010 and never updated --> gms should reannounce game rules.

      That actually is bannable if you ask GMs. you cannot leave a pet or partner in a pii field while your main character is not there to attack.

      Definition of afk leveling/leeching in rules i guess:
      • AFK-leveling is prohibited and will be punished with a temporary ban. (AFK = away from keyboard -> Placing your pet/partners in places where they will gather (free) experience while you're away/not playing NosTale is considered AFK-leveling).
    • Nandus wrote:

      It is allowed to use Sandboxie, but there is no support for it.


      invisibleman wrote:

      it is allowed,but afk leeching is not allowed..and if any item went missing it's your own responsibility
      Leeching yourself is allowed, i.e. one of your characters sits around afk while another one of your characters (in the same group) levels it.I don't really know how items should go missing with multiclients, but it is correct that using sandboxie is your own responsibility, there will not be any support from the game team should you run into problems with it.

      It depends on what you mean by sits around afk. They need to see their screen, or at the very least be able to respond if a GM sends them a pop up asking if they are afk. If they play in a group with themselves, and keep one of their game windows hidden while they level themselves up it actually isn't allowed. You also can't have a friend level you up while you afk.

      Jekyll wrote:


      ariyoshi wrote:


      • Using bots, keyboard simulators or any third party programs are also forbidden and will result in a permanent ban of your account.

      Suddenly, Sandboxie and Process Explorer actually are "any third party programs". I think they should be exact with this one in the rules.
      I personally use Process Explorer cuz Sandboxie isnt "free". Free version asks to wait 5 secs and buy a license. No license = 1 bonus nostale window maximum, cracked version fails to work properly for no reason lol (I tried many different). Aaaand sometimes I want to play with more than 2 accounts at once (for buffs and fc raids, usually) so I personally recommend it.

      invisibleman wrote:

      afk leeching is not allowed
      Wellllllllllll... Some people that lvl fairies use a Maru psp to kill peas while they (players) are afk, cuz its aoe-skill range is really huge. But is it illegal? It doesn't involve any 3rd party programs, just what the game offers and it's not a bug or anything, so in my opinion its totally fine.
      Having their partner kill pii for them while they afk is completely against the rules. It is the entire reason we are told not to do the exact same thing with the turtle pet. If you decide to control the partner instead of your main character, it isn't the same as being afk and is allowed.
    • Ruff wrote:


      If they play in a group with themselves, and keep one of their game windows hidden while they level themselves up it actually isn't allowed. You also can't have a friend level you up while you afk. (...)

      Having their partner kill pii for them while they afk is completely against the rules.

      Let's just clear up some things here.
      First of all, it is allowed to use your pet or partner to kill pii (or any other pets) for you, while you afk with your main. However, you should not completely afk, but still be there to control and watch your pet and partner.
      If you don't fight, you are allowed to afk completely. That includes sitting afk in Nosville (or any other place), that includes opening a shop and going away from the screen, and that also includes sitting around afk while someone else (either you yourself with another character or a friend or someone you pay or ...) levels you.
      So in short: It is allowed to have the window with the one who gets leveled hidden, as long as that one is really afk, not doing anything, not fighting, etc (including his pet and partner).
      What is not allowed is being afk while fighting, e.g. by setting your pet or partner to attack and leaving the desk, or by pressing the space bar while watching a movie or doing something else, or (worst case) by using a bot or third party program to do the job for you.
      These cases are not allowed and will get punished.
      However, as long as you, your pet and your partner are all afk and don't attack anything, you don't need to keep an eye on the screen.
    • Weird, that completely goes against this rule.

      "AFK-leveling is prohibited and will be punished with a temporary ban. (AFK = away from keyboard -> Placing your pet/partners in places where they will gather (free) experience while you're away/not playing NosTale is considered AFK-leveling)."

      From what I'd always heard, you can't have your character gaining levels while you afk. This doesn't mean you must participate in combat, but you can't just leave your system on and walk away(such as having friends take turns in a party while the other members are sleeping).

      So, even if you are in a party with yourself(which the GMs have no way of knowing beforehand) you can't simply hide the window on a character because then you won't know if a GM is asking if you are there or not. If you are really afk, you also don't know if your pet/partner started battling things after you went afk even if they weren't and you appeared to be in a safe spot beforehand.(obviously this wouldn't pertain to every map)
    • I think there is a little misunderstanding here.
      The "AFK-leveling" described in the rules means that you are afk while your pet or partner are fighting for you; so also not controlling them actively.
      It does not mean that you are leeched by someone else, because in this case you are not "leveling" but "getting leveled", you yourself (and your pet/partner) have no part in the action.
      Therefore, getting leeched while being afk is allowed.
      I see that the rule might be a little hard to understand here, so I hope I could clear this up.

      Oh, and also:

      Ruff wrote:

      So, even if you are in a party with yourself(which the GMs have no way of knowing beforehand)

      We don't? Muhawhaw, that's what you are made to believe.
      No but seriously, more then often the guys are called SomeName and SomeName2... :)


      Ruff wrote:

      If you are really afk, you also don't know if your pet/partner started battling things after you went afk

      That is indeed a problem, yes. So you should deactivate your partner skills and maybe, to be really sure, set your pet and partner to S before going afk on a map that contains monsters.
      You are right that if you go afk in the middle of the pii field with your partner skills activated, someone killing these pii might make it look like you are afk-leveling, and yes, this might get you into trouble with GMs.
      So be careful where you go afk and remember to deactivate partner skills/set pets to S if you go afk near pii or other mobs that might attack.
    • My mage is Ruff, but no one would ever guess that the archer Ruffer is also me :whistling:

      Of course they are on the same account anyway since i only have 1 account.

      I had thought the first part of the afk-leveling rule simply states you can't gain 'free' experience while you are afk with an example.(I'd think this also pertains to having others level you while afk)

      Then the second part states additional information, saying having pets/partners attack things such as pii while you are afk can cause them(the pii) to attack other players which is also against the rules(grief play, different more serious rule).

      Then it states if you are afk you may be unable to reply to a team members requests(the bare minimum attention you must show while having others level you). As long as you are capable of reacting to GMs(even if you are barely paying attention while watching a movie or something) you wouldn't be liable for afk-leveling(since all anyone could really say is you are sitting doing nothing while staring at the screen).

      "
      • AFK-leveling is prohibited and will be punished with a temporary ban. (AFK = away from keyboard -> Placing your pet/partners in places where they will gather (free) experience while you're away/not playing NosTale is considered AFK-leveling).
      • While AFK-leveling you can't guarantee that monsters (f.i. Pii's) do not attack other players and might endanger them. This is considered a breach of rules as well.
      • Your attention has to be on the screen while playing, otherwise it is possible that you can't react to approaches from team members."
      Of course it is a lax rule regardless, and I'd think short afk durations would be overlooked(such as if you spilt a drink and was afk cleaning it up real quick or something). The more purposeful afk-leveling, like setting it up to grind overnight while you sleep is a lot more likely to be punished.

      If being leveled while afk is fine, it makes me wonder as to the purpose of the rule. There are ways to afk level without risking grief play(such as having pet/partners kill lizards in Fir Woods by TS73, or much more likely wasps at mt krem). Grief play is already a separate rule and is punishable regardless of whether afk leveling is allowed or not.
    • Ruff wrote:



      If being leveled while afk is fine, it makes me wonder as to the purpose of the rule. There are ways to afk level without risking grief play(such as having pet/partners kill lizards in Fir Woods by TS73, or much more likely wasps at mt krem). Grief play is already a separate rule and is punishable regardless of whether afk leveling is allowed or not.
      I think that rule is left from a time where it was still possible to put a pet at pii, set it on attack and it will attack indefinetly (if I remember correctly, that was possible with turtles a long time ago). Nowadays, really being afk for a long time while leveling is hard, as the only ones who can attack all the time are partners, and they need mana. Still, the rule is still there, as also being afk for "only" a few minutes until the partner needs new mana potions is not allowed; you should have your eyes on the screen the whole time while you or your pet/partner are fighting.



      Ruff wrote:

      and I'd think short afk durations would be overlooked(such as if you spilt a drink and was afk cleaning it up real quick or something).
      Of course we will not ban everyone who is afk for 10 seconds; but if it is for more (like, in the example above, popping some MP-potions every 5-10min and being afk the rest of the time), that is a different issue. :)
    • Jekyll wrote:

      Nandus wrote:

      What is not allowed is <...> pressing the space bar while watching a movie <...>
      These cases are not allowed and will get punished.
      This is just ridiculous...
      Ok, I should maybe add "watching a movie and not looking at the game". Of course if you manage to watch with one eye and look at the screen with the other one...
      But there have already been cases of users who turned of their laptop monitor and just pressed space without even knowing what happened ingame, of course that is not allowed.
    • If you can't respond to an approaching GM, they can't know you are the one pressing the spacebar. It looks a whole lot like a bot, and using bots isn't allowed.

      If you are able to notice and respond to the window popping up on your screen while watching your movie, then you are fine. If not(such as having the monitor off so you literally can't see such pop up windows) then you are essentially afk.

      This is covered in the 3rd section of the rule, and it isn't really so ridiculous as there is no other way to prove you are actually there controlling your character than to reply when asked.

      Personally I've only ever been approached by GMs once, when i was spamming my Dark Gunner ultimate without a gun equipped so it would keep doing the animation without going on cooldown. Wasn't in any trouble, she just wanted to know if everything was alright or if i might be suffering from some sort of bug.

      In the past when i was first leveling my Red Mage and Holy Mage i would just keep pressing the spacebar while watching TV at the Blue Moles while i waited to gain enough xp to unlock my moves. But i didn't have my screen off, sometimes I'd have to walk back towards the center of the moles as my character would stray too far away and be subject to longer respawn times. Or I'd have to rest on my Red Mage because his mana costs are ridiculous at low levels. It can definitely look like using a bot though(just compare yourself only pressing spacebar to the actual bot users that would appear pretty often in comet meadows, with the angry chickens)
    • Jekyll wrote:

      Nandus wrote:

      What is not allowed is <...> pressing the space bar while watching a movie <...>
      These cases are not allowed and will get punished.
      This is just ridiculous...
      Lol. You can watch whatever, even TV for all we care, simply give a glare to your nostale character every 5-10 minutes at least, just do not completely space out with pressing spaces.
      What we want is that you talk to us when we test you for botting that is all we care about.
    • Morgoth wrote:

      Lol. You can watch whatever, even TV for all we care, simply give a glare to your nostale character every 5-10 minutes at least, just do not completely space out with pressing spaces.What we want is that you talk to us when we test you for botting that is all we care about.
      yea yea I get that, I didn't plan to sound confused tho, just some random cringey reaction