[AEC] Annual East-Mile Championship [Poll]

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    • To begin with, I appreciate the GM(s) for taking my suggestion into consideration and taking a positive step forward with this tournament.

      Now onto my thoughts about how the tournament should be planned out. Personally I'd say it's nothing too complicated thankfully since the French Server have a great and efficient way on how to do it. Clearly it's been working for the French because of how popular of an annual event it has been; due to this I believe following their guidelines would be ideal. Although, while using the 'French way' as the blue-print, I think the organisers of this event should be open and willing to remove, add or even adjust any rules whilst using their initiative and understanding of the UK server. The fundamentals of the tournament should be kept real though, like using a pure 100% damage map, no potions, no pets and only SP buffs. After observing the French LCN's I concluded that they like do to 1 single PvP, which allows the winner to progress into the next stage of the tournament; a personal adjustment which I would want implemented would be that each PvP should be best of 3, and then the winner progresses to the next stage. There's no downfalls with that adjustment game wise, it just makes the winner win a PvP in a more fair manner, since generally these days players in PvP's can get 'robbed' from a win in many ways, for example being violated by the Onyx Wing effect or being costume stunned like 5 times in a row when really and truly there's a 3% chance of it even landing in the first place. But the out of game issue with this adjustment would be that it might be a heavy workload for the event organisers and make the tournament too long. (Anyway, it's just an idea for the sake of players not getting a fair fight) Small additions would be that the location of the battles be in a fairly sized area, none of us want to see an archer running around for a decade to regain HP then continue fighting. Believe me, way to many people win PvP's in the normal arenas because of being able to run for centuries. Also, the small payment to enter the tournament is a slick idea, +1.

      There are probably other little things you could do, but I guess that should be looked at later. As for now, like anything, to begin a project it isn't easy. But in the long run, and if done properly I believe the tournament will be a fantastic event which the players competing, or even watching on the sidelines will enjoy to be apart of. It's something different and I surely think it'll be lit. ;)



      - Overlord of Onyx™ -
    • We are indeed using the french tournament as a blue print as you said and we are working on adjusting everything for our server, we are also talking with the french team for advises.

      The pvp will be as fair as possible, no stun costumes, no pots, no enchantments. As for the fairy wings not sure we can escape this part but we will take it under consideration.

      The arena will most likely be set with 50% damage same as the arena we have now but that is something that might change as well, depends on what we will like more (we will run some tests on this).

      Either way this is the first time we do something like this (If we indeed end up actually doing it, depends on what you vote) so the only "experience" we have is what the french can share with us, so I expect some minor problems will occur which we can improve with your feedback and suggestions for the next ( 2018 ) championship.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Morgoth ().

    • Morgoth wrote:

      We are indeed using the french tournament as a blue print as you said and we are working on adjusting everything for our server, we are also talking with the french team for advises.

      The pvp will be as fair as possible, no stun costumes, no pots, no enchantments. As for the fairy wings not sure we can escape this part but we will take it under consideration.

      The arena will most likely be set with 50% damage same as the arena we have now but that is something that might change as well, depends on what we will like more (we will run some tests on this).

      Either way this is the first time we do something like this (If we indeed end up actually doing it, depends on what you vote) so the only "experience" we have is what the french can share with us, so I expect some minor problems will occur which we can improve with your feedback and suggestions for the next ( 2018 ) championship.
      If there will be no stun costumes allowed then theres no need for best of 3.
      What about the players whom sp's have fairy wings ? Maybe their best sp use fairy wings or onyx or whatever and they shouldn't be forced to use a weaker sp just for the sake of being fair.

      Say what you feel,it's not being rude.It's being real.
    • Sorry i must say it but that tournament starting to have no sense to do with all these bans. No pets, no costumes, no onyx/fairy wings? What else.... no perfection, no act6 eq, no champ books, no resist? There are so many things affect on the game. There is no system to make it fair for everyone. Ppl got different points on SP, costumes, pets, perfections, resists, equipment etc. The game (pvp) is mosty based on luck but ppl can "a bit" change it with own strategy (what sp to use, costumes, pets).

      What about my system of votes?
      Everyone chooses 5 sp cards at the beggining of pvp. Pvp is the best of 5 (need 3 wins... if gonna be draw 2:2 there is 5th pvp to set winner). Its based on strategy what SP use against opponent. Both players got 2 votes to take SP first and both players must react 2 times too. Player can use strong SPs at start or wait and use them later (all based on strategy).

      Example: Player1 (ranger, wk, scout, CS, sin) vs. Player2 (wk, destro, sin, scout, DH)
      1st pvp - Player1 votes for "scout" < Player2 react with "destro"
      2nd pvp - Player2 votes for "scout" < Player1 react with "CS"
      3rd pvp - Player1 votes for "sin" < Player2 react with "wk"
      4th pvp - Player2 votes for "sin" < Player1 react with "ranger"
      Last pvp - Player1 takes last SP "wk" vs. Player2 takes last SP "DH"
      Its based mostly on strategy than luck. Players can use costumes and bustails for own strategy. I agree only to ban taror cards (there are not so many cards for every match).

      Similar system works at CS:GO tournaments. Team1 vote for map, Team2 choose side on the map. Team2 vote for map, Team1 choose side on the map.

      :: ranger 0+0 :: destroyer 99+15 :: assassin 99+15 :: wild keeper 99+15 ::
      :: scout 99+15 :: cannon 99+15 :: demon hunter 99+15 :: aven angel 99+15 ::

      The post was edited 1 time, last by fatte ().

    • fatte wrote:

      Sorry i must say it but that tournament starting to have no sense to do with all these bans. No pets, no costumes, no onyx/fairy wings? What else.... no perfection, no act6 eq, no champ books, no resist? There are so many things affect on the game. There is no system to make it fair for everyone. Ppl got different points on SP, costumes, pets, perfections, resists, equipment etc. The game (pvp) is mosty based on luck but ppl can "a bit" change it with own strategy (what sp to use, costumes, pets).

      What about my system of votes?
      Everyone chooses 5 sp cards at the beggining of pvp. Pvp is the best of 5 (need 3 wins... if gonna be draw 2:2 there is 5th pvp to set winner). Its based on strategy what SP use against opponent. Both players got 2 votes to take SP first and both players must react 2 times too. Player can use strong SPs at start or wait and use them later (all based on strategy).

      Example: Player1 (ranger, wk, scout, CS, sin) vs. Player2 (wk, destro, sin, scout, DH)
      1st pvp - Player1 votes for "scout" < Player2 react with "destro"
      2nd pvp - Player2 votes for "scout" < Player1 react with "CS"
      3rd pvp - Player1 votes for "sin" < Player2 react with "wk"
      4th pvp - Player2 votes for "sin" < Player1 react with "ranger"
      Last pvp - Player1 takes last SP "wk" vs. Player2 takes last SP "DH"
      Its based mostly on strategy than luck. Players can use costumes and bustails for own strategy. I agree only to ban taror cards (there are not so many cards for every match).

      Similar system works at CS:GO tournaments. Team1 vote for map, Team2 choose side on the map. Team2 vote for map, Team1 choose side on the map.
      1. Why not best of 20 ? or best of 100 ?Is anybody here who cares a little about GMS and their time ?
      2. Not everyone have time to get 5 sp's to their maximum potential this will make pvp biased towards rich guys.
      3. I agree we should be able to use costume,i agree we should not be able to use tarots but pets ? No,just no.
      4. I don't get this whole voting/reacting thing,this is like banning opponent cards or what ? IF so,No thanks for obvious reasons.
      Overall for this ideea. :thumbdown:

      Say what you feel,it's not being rude.It's being real.
    • 1) your idea = pay money for tournament and play 1-2 pvps (winner and looser bracket) no longer than 1-2 mins.....i think many ppl will follow your idea :crazy: Guess tournament wont set like ultramarathon for GMs to sit 24h in arena and watch pvps. Guess there gonna be more days to play and "maybe" final day with the best players.
      2) you got 2 months till tournaments start so you got enought time to max your SP cards, you not need to be rich to go lod...just dont be lazy :)
      3) why no pets? The are bigger differences with shells than pets....or you wanna ban shell eq too?
      4) Its system to not make advantage for anyone. This is no BANNING or how you called it. You can just choose what SP use against opponent and he can do it same. It means = 5 pvps > 5 diff SP cards......Maybe you are strong enought and you will win all pvps with 3 sp cards in 3 rounds.....so you dont need to go lod with more SPs ;)

      I have no idea who you are but what i see you still looking for problems but no solutions

      :: ranger 0+0 :: destroyer 99+15 :: assassin 99+15 :: wild keeper 99+15 ::
      :: scout 99+15 :: cannon 99+15 :: demon hunter 99+15 :: aven angel 99+15 ::
    • fatte wrote:

      1) your idea = pay money for tournament and play 1-2 pvps (winner and looser bracket) no longer than 1-2 mins.....i think many ppl will follow your idea :crazy: Guess tournament wont set like ultramarathon for GMs to sit 24h in arena and watch pvps. Guess there gonna be more days to play and "maybe" final day with the best players.
      2) you got 2 months till tournaments start so you got enought time to max your SP cards, you not need to be rich to go lod...just dont be lazy :)
      3) why no pets? The are bigger differences with shells than pets....or you wanna ban shell eq too?
      4) Its system to not make advantage for anyone. This is no BANNING or how you called it. You can just choose what SP use against opponent and he can do it same. It means = 5 pvps > 5 diff SP cards......Maybe you are strong enought and you will win all pvps with 3 sp cards in 3 rounds.....so you dont need to go lod with more SPs ;)

      I have no idea who you are but what i see you still looking for problems but no solutions
      1. French people did it only with 1 pvp and nobody complained whatsoever,and lmao the pvp can be very long if there are 2 wars against eachother.I personally have nothing against best of 3 but i think best of 5 is a little too much.
      2. Yeah i got 2 months,im sure as hell i dont got school/work/social life because i will play Nostale non-stop.As for the rich part,one wk+99+0 does not stand a chance when fighting a wk+99+15+40(considering the equipment somehow equal).
      3. No pvp tournaments from other servers ever allowed pets,nobody likes to get stunned every 5 seconds by a footbal bushtail.And where did i said something against shells ? Shells are part of the equipment,it will be absurb to not be allowed.
      4. "Maybe you are strong enought and you will win all pvps with 3 sp cards in 3 rounds.....so you dont need to go lod with more SPs"
      They can still have a better or atleast just as good sp,that rely too much on luck.
      As for the rest of your statement,im sorry,i missunderstood with voting/react and yes i agree with 4 overall.
      I dont consider myself a "looking for problems person",i half agreed with the rules made by Morgoth and i also agree with 2 of your suggestions as solutions too.If you have a negative oppinion about me good for you,take FireBow by his hand and start insulting me in speaker chat and call me a hater.I honestly don't give a c**p.

      Say what you feel,it's not being rude.It's being real.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Turtle ().

    • dw, i dont have problems with any1 but looking for solutions to make tournament fair for every1, high lvls, lvls, "rich" players, "poor" players (i know its impossible).

      1) like you wrote...it depends on luck...best of 3 is ok for me too (but with so many SP cards should be tournament more interesting)
      2) every1 in game got RL (school, job, hobbies...) but see pvps only with 1 maxed card? i think GM not need waste time to organize this event to see 15 ppl with same cards (its just my idea from high lvl player and i know its not suit for everyone)
      3) my question was about something else ;) i wrote it bad and you didnt understand it...my bad...i mean use pets with "passive" buffs...fibi, bally, inferno, navy, should be ok to use these pets in strategy

      btw. ty for reply, every idea (nice or bad) is welcome....like GM said "I expect some minor
      problems will occur which we can improve with your feedback and
      suggestions for the next ( 2018 ) championshi"

      :: ranger 0+0 :: destroyer 99+15 :: assassin 99+15 :: wild keeper 99+15 ::
      :: scout 99+15 :: cannon 99+15 :: demon hunter 99+15 :: aven angel 99+15 ::
    • I never said we will ban the wings, even if we wanted to it would be really hard I said it like "we might need to think about it" but most likely the wings will not be banned.

      The general plan is to have 1 pvp and we don't want it to be ruined by some lucky stun chain from the costume for the 1 person while the other won't even get 1 stun, this does not show skill just luck.

      The tournament will not start when the poll ends IF the poll results are decent enough for us to host this I will then post the final rules and from that point you will have another full month for sure. So if we host this you have 3 months to collect money for the fee and upgrade your sps.


      The whole point is to show how well you can build your SP cards and your equips in a fair 1vs1 PvP without pets/stun costumes ruin the PvP. (Of course if you have a stun/freeze/whatever shell in your main/secondary weapon, that is allowed.)
    • Morgoth wrote:

      The general plan is to have 1 pvp and we don't want it to be ruined by some lucky stun chain from the costume for the 1 person while the other won't even get 1 stun, this does not show skill just luck.
      hmm...1 pvp against warriors morale? so every1 must bet everything on 1 sp card and hope for luck. Im curious how many scouts gonna pay money to entry tournament to meet warriors 65% range shield + morale. Btw. its better to get stun 2 times per pvp than miss 80% hits.

      :: ranger 0+0 :: destroyer 99+15 :: assassin 99+15 :: wild keeper 99+15 ::
      :: scout 99+15 :: cannon 99+15 :: demon hunter 99+15 :: aven angel 99+15 ::
    • on costumes maybe staff can ask pvpers what they think is fair, many top pvpers active ingame fatte and cham being 2 of them with vast knowledge on pvp, so maybe staff can ask these players for their opinions, such as setting a time ingame for staff to meet with groups of players and get feedback from them on these type of things, costumes etc, as for wings onyx wings like titan wings purpose is pvp based
    • It kind of seems like some of you all are making it very complicated for no reason, as Morgoth explained in his previous reply it seems just about right.

      As for wings, nothing can be done. Pets cannot be used, the buff of a Fibi/Bally really does affect certain outcomes, hence why the French decided not to accept them in PvP's (I spoke to Shaymezu). Say what you want, but I've witnessed how a Fluffy or a Fibi can synergise with a individuals equipment shells making them a lot better. Basically no additional enhancements aren't allowed, that is the whole point. To see how strong you as an individual are, with what you have created or own. Having a 100 perf specialist and OP shells is something created within your system, therefore that is your individual ability and there are no additional enhancements there. Point blank we all know what additional enhancements are, I feel we are slightly over thinking.

      As for costumes, I believe there are certain ones applicable and certain ones not, but generally speaking this may be too much to be focused on, considering this is the first time a tournament of such nature would be hosted, stick to the basics and fundementals. Only way acceptable with any costumes, IF it is not too much of a work load for the event organisers would be best of 3.

      As for specialists, once again I feel everyone's over thinking, it's supposed to be a fun tournament, something different and fresh, use whatever specialist you want to use, heck why not. If you're capable you will try your best to counter a specialist which may be more difficult, suck it up and try. The only specialist I am not sure with is the Renegade, not because of what we know it can do, but because I've actually never witnessed someone using it in the French tournaments, maybe by coincidence, maybe because it's disallowed? Only the event organizers can find this out. :')



      - Overlord of Onyx™ -
    • It is not exactly on topic, but it also isn't off topic what I'm going to say. I had been thinking and came up with some issues.
      Firstly, I would like to address an important matter for mage.
      Some Sp's (especially blade and tidelord) have a mana reducing debuff, which can cause shortage of mana.
      It is not exactly unfair, but, without mana, mages are unable to hit (exception: holy mage), while all the other classes can keep on hitting.
      This is a big disadvantage in my opinion.
      Furthermore: Some sps can keep the opponent stunned all day, (eg. ranger, volcano) Does this still contribute to a fair pvp?
    • I think that is one of the reasons they were saying likely 2 of 3, yeah you can still be stunned both fights or have your mana reduced both fights but it is less likely and that is just some of the perks of those sps. I've had some pretty long pvps in the past and can attest that even if your mp is reduced to 0 in a fight it is possible to recover without the use of pots, its just really slow and you take a lot of damage while you attempt. If it isn't against the rules to drop your sp and go norm during a fight red drain helps a lot(though its dangerous to drop your sp against high level sps, kinda a last ditch effort)
    • Galaco wrote:

      It is not exactly on topic, but it also isn't off topic what I'm going to say. I had been thinking and came up with some issues.
      Firstly, I would like to address an important matter for mage.
      Some Sp's (especially blade and tidelord) have a mana reducing debuff, which can cause shortage of mana.
      It is not exactly unfair, but, without mana, mages are unable to hit (exception: holy mage), while all the other classes can keep on hitting.
      This is a big disadvantage in my opinion.
      Furthermore: Some sps can keep the opponent stunned all day, (eg. ranger, volcano) Does this still contribute to a fair pvp?
      Morgoth already said the pvps will be class based,meaning swordie vs swordie,archer vs archer,mage vs mage,you dont have to worry about that.
      Probably in the final will be a little harder because there will be 1 of each class which is bringing me to another point,if the final will be best 3 of each class how the staff will prevent 2 finalist to make an alliance against the 3rd one,for example the swordie and the archer to focus on the mage then kill eachother.

      Say what you feel,it's not being rude.It's being real.
    • Turtle wrote:

      Galaco wrote:

      It is not exactly on topic, but it also isn't off topic what I'm going to say. I had been thinking and came up with some issues.
      Firstly, I would like to address an important matter for mage.
      Some Sp's (especially blade and tidelord) have a mana reducing debuff, which can cause shortage of mana.
      It is not exactly unfair, but, without mana, mages are unable to hit (exception: holy mage), while all the other classes can keep on hitting.
      This is a big disadvantage in my opinion.
      Furthermore: Some sps can keep the opponent stunned all day, (eg. ranger, volcano) Does this still contribute to a fair pvp?
      Morgoth already said the pvps will be class based,meaning swordie vs swordie,archer vs archer,mage vs mage,you dont have to worry about that.
      Probably in the final will be a little harder because there will be 1 of each class which is bringing me to another point,if the final will be best 3 of each class how the staff will prevent 2 finalist to make an alliance against the 3rd one,for example the swordie and the archer to focus on the mage then kill eachother.

      Well,if its really class based....that just makes my decision easier. Won´t be joining this.
      Btw Galaco - Tide lord can eat mp too.
    • fatte wrote:

      Morgoth wrote:

      The general plan is to have 1 pvp and we don't want it to be ruined by some lucky stun chain from the costume for the 1 person while the other won't even get 1 stun, this does not show skill just luck.
      hmm...1 pvp against warriors morale? so every1 must bet everything on 1 sp card and hope for luck. Im curious how many scouts gonna pay money to entry tournament to meet warriors 65% range shield + morale. Btw. its better to get stun 2 times per pvp than miss 80% hits.
      That is how the card is made if you think it's unfair it has nothing to do with this event, more likely to complain to Entwell about it.
      Either way every card has a weakness, a ranger should be more than fine against a warrior no?

      Legendary17 wrote:

      on costumes maybe staff can ask pvpers what they think is fair, many top pvpers active ingame fatte and cham being 2 of them with vast knowledge on pvp, so maybe staff can ask these players for their opinions, such as setting a time ingame for staff to meet with groups of players and get feedback from them on these type of things, costumes etc, as for wings onyx wings like titan wings purpose is pvp based
      This is why we have this thread, for people to vote and post questions/suggestions, we do a few speakers per day to advertise it but if people don't really vote then we will not host the event.

      FireBow wrote:

      Back to pets,of course we wont use pets in fights but what about their buff? I couldnt understand this,can we just take pets for their buff?without hitting opponent
      Yeah no pets at all not even as a buff buddy.

      Sephyx wrote:

      It kind of seems like some of you all are making it very complicated for no reason, as Morgoth explained in his previous reply it seems just about right.

      As for wings, nothing can be done. Pets cannot be used, the buff of a Fibi/Bally really does affect certain outcomes, hence why the French decided not to accept them in PvP's (I spoke to Shaymezu). Say what you want, but I've witnessed how a Fluffy or a Fibi can synergise with a individuals equipment shells making them a lot better. Basically no additional enhancements aren't allowed, that is the whole point. To see how strong you as an individual are, with what you have created or own. Having a 100 perf specialist and OP shells is something created within your system, therefore that is your individual ability and there are no additional enhancements there. Point blank we all know what additional enhancements are, I feel we are slightly over thinking.

      As for costumes, I believe there are certain ones applicable and certain ones not, but generally speaking this may be too much to be focused on, considering this is the first time a tournament of such nature would be hosted, stick to the basics and fundementals. Only way acceptable with any costumes, IF it is not too much of a work load for the event organisers would be best of 3.

      As for specialists, once again I feel everyone's over thinking, it's supposed to be a fun tournament, something different and fresh, use whatever specialist you want to use, heck why not. If you're capable you will try your best to counter a specialist which may be more difficult, suck it up and try. The only specialist I am not sure with is the Renegade, not because of what we know it can do, but because I've actually never witnessed someone using it in the French tournaments, maybe by coincidence, maybe because it's disallowed? Only the event organizers can find this out. :')
      The french way is proven to work so especially for the first year we will have a lot of similarities that's for sure.
      As for the renegade might be a coincidence, but after all I believe a good Frozen crown res + shell is enough to make the card's fairy switch useless?

      Galaco wrote:

      It is not exactly on topic, but it also isn't off topic what I'm going to say. I had been thinking and came up with some issues.
      Firstly, I would like to address an important matter for mage.
      Some Sp's (especially blade and tidelord) have a mana reducing debuff, which can cause shortage of mana.
      It is not exactly unfair, but, without mana, mages are unable to hit (exception: holy mage), while all the other classes can keep on hitting.
      This is a big disadvantage in my opinion.
      Furthermore: Some sps can keep the opponent stunned all day, (eg. ranger, volcano) Does this still contribute to a fair pvp?
      Like I said above some cards beat other cards easily, it is all about picking the right card for the duel.
      Every skill that comes from you and your card is completely treated as fair.

      Naerys wrote:

      Turtle wrote:

      Galaco wrote:

      It is not exactly on topic, but it also isn't off topic what I'm going to say. I had been thinking and came up with some issues.
      Firstly, I would like to address an important matter for mage.
      Some Sp's (especially blade and tidelord) have a mana reducing debuff, which can cause shortage of mana.
      It is not exactly unfair, but, without mana, mages are unable to hit (exception: holy mage), while all the other classes can keep on hitting.
      This is a big disadvantage in my opinion.
      Furthermore: Some sps can keep the opponent stunned all day, (eg. ranger, volcano) Does this still contribute to a fair pvp?
      Morgoth already said the pvps will be class based,meaning swordie vs swordie,archer vs archer,mage vs mage,you dont have to worry about that.
      Probably in the final will be a little harder because there will be 1 of each class which is bringing me to another point,if the final will be best 3 of each class how the staff will prevent 2 finalist to make an alliance against the 3rd one,for example the swordie and the archer to focus on the mage then kill eachother.

      Well,if its really class based....that just makes my decision easier. Won´t be joining this.
      Btw Galaco - Tide lord can eat mp too.
      The current idea is to keep it class specific as it helps it to be more fair, but if many of you want to have mixed fights we could change that.
      And no all PvPs will be 1vs1.